Vanity Fair.com’s summer intern Thomas Kaplan has been locked in a Conde Nast research closet to watch cable news from 9-5 for four days straight—while being broadcast on the internets. Today, while he alternately sat through CNBC, had lunch with a pretty, young fellow intern, and asked his viewers what celebrities he looks like, he also chatted with me—a former Vanity Fair intern myself—about his experiences at the forefront of modern journalism.
EA Hanks: Is this as weird for you as I think it is? Because, it’s pretty weird.
Thomas: It’s really among the strangest things I’ve been a part of.
[Kaplan starts taking questions from Twitterers watching the live feed]
EA: Our medium is dead enough. You don’t need the internet to make me MORE irrelevant.
Thomas: Ha! Yeah, sorry, we’re having too much fun. CNBC was just sucking my soul so this is a nice break.
EA: You’re the Editor In Chief of the Yale Daily News.
Thomas: Yes.
EA: According to sources, you have a fleet of 150 reporters and 30 editors who work for you. Despite this, you’re locked in Vanity Fair’s research closet watching cable news for three days straight. Are you SURE you want to be a journalist?
Thomas: As long as it doesn’t involve getting locked into any other windowless rooms.
EA: They only do that at Hearst.
Thomas: Granted, I don’t think I want to make a career out of watching Larry Kudlow scream at people. But I am hoping this isn’t the norm for most journalism careers. If it is, journalism should pay more.
EA: Do you comfort yourself by thinking what 48 hour stunts Walter Cronkite had to suffer through in HIS salad days?
Thomas: Well, that’s the thing. At least I can gchat with people when CNN repeats the same segment for the 8th time. Cronkite–what did he have? Nothing.
EA: I don’t understand, if you’re stuck in there watching cable news, who is getting hungover editors Burger King. (Not that I ever had to.)
[While Kaplan’s friend, an intern from Advertising leaves, he wonders, out loud, if he should continue to take questions and request from the internet (Sample: “Draw a kitty in a fireman’s outfit!”) The phone rings and he gets instructions from on high]
EA:…And now you’re getting advice from Vanity Fair’s PR crack staff.
Thomas: I am!
EA: [Executive Director of Public Relations Beth] Kseniak or [Public Relations Manager Liz] Hurlbut?
Thomas: Beth.
EA: The head honcho!
Thomas: She says I don’t look like a crazy person if I talk to the webcam. Which I was afraid of.
EA: So you have this summer internship — unpaid, I presume?
Thomas: Yeah—I got a fellowship from Yale that made it possible.
EA: How is it shaping up in comparison to a collegiate daily? And you haven’t answered who is getting hungover editor’s lunch. You are wise.
Thomas: Well, in general, a monthly magazine is very different just in terms of the environment. At school, we’re throwing each edition together at 4 a.m. while half the staff is intoxicated.
EA: …How is that different exactly? Do you worry about, you know, journalism apparently dying?
Thomas: I do have some concerns about this whole journalism-is-dying thing. Two of the three newspapers I’ve interned for are currently operating under Chapter 11. So that’s not encouraging.
EA: …You are taking my questions from crazy people on the internet rather than from me.
Thomas: Ha — sorry. I will pay attention. There definitely are some interesting people on the Internet—this experiment has helped underscore that.
EA: Are there other interns who are not getting to start Internet careers?
Thomas: I’m the only intern working for VF.com, so I’m not sure what the other V.F. interns are doing.
EA: Ohhhhh you’re an INTERNET INTERN.
Thomas: To the best of my knowledge, I am the only one who has been locked in a closet.
EA: Oh, I think there are lots of people there locked in closets.
Thomas: I mean, I guess if you had to be a poor journalist locked in a closet, you’d rather be locked in a Conde Nast closet than, like, a Tribune Company closet.
EA: You are sage for your years. So you keep saying that you think your CNBC day will be the worst. Why?
Thomas: Well, I know nothing about finance.
EA: Is it not educating you? Buy? Sell? Trell?
Thomas: It’s just a lot of yelling. I’m amazed these people don’t lose their voices more often. So it’s painful just because I don’t understand most of it, and it’s so fast-paced and high-octane that it’s just really grating. I suppose if I were a soulless economics major, I would enjoy this.
EA: Do you have friends at other internships in the city? At night, do you sit around talking about all the life lessons you’ve learned? Would you say you’re more like Carrie, or Samantha. Maybe an inner Charlotte?
Thomas: Oh, Charlotte for sure, although I surely will regret answering that question with such little hesitation. About a third of my Yale class seems to have in New York this summer, yeah. Last summer, I interned at a newspaper where the interns would get together on the weekends and bemoan the death of journalism, and that did get depressing after a while. There has been less of that this summer.
EA: Because you were smart and went for something online, or because you’re all drunk?
Thomas: A little of both, I think. It’s really hard to intern at a newspaper and not get sucked into this whole soul-searching mentality. Because every adult you meet starts the conversation by saying, “Why the hell do you want to get into this business?” These are people who are jumping ship themselves—taking buyouts and the like. So that makes it difficult. But that’s not at all the case here, which has been refreshing.
EA: Let’s say, you graduate, you come to the city, and everyone tells you, “Move back to wherever you’re from, and start a micro-issues blog — small town corruption is going to skyrocket without local watch dogs. Make connections and sources and forget working in the big city.” Would you go? Or would you try and move to the Big City?
Thomas: That’s a tough one. On the one hand, I think those sorts of local watchdog Web sites are really promising—we have one in New Haven, the New Haven Independent, and it does more to cover our city than the local daily does. But I’ve done a lot of local reporting the past couple of years and I don’t know whether I have that strong an interest in covering local government and the like. So I guess I am conflicted.
EA: How do you like working online vs working in print?
Thomas: I’m enjoying writing for the Web—that’s where I get most of my news, anyway, so it’s not bothersome to me not to be able to pick up a paper and see my byline. At the same time, I do miss some of the shoe-leather reporting that is more a part of newspaper writing than the more opinionated, commentary-oriented writing that seems to have a home on the Web.
EA: And finally, is [Executive Online Editor] Mike Hogan picking on you? Other than locking you in a small room, forcing you to watch shit TV and making you, a fine young journalist, into an internet monkey?
Thomas: There was a threat earlier today that I would be forced to eat a Sloppy Joe sandwich without a plate or a napkin. That was horrifying. And they clearly are deriving a large amount of enjoyment from watching me writhe. But on the whole, I can’t complain.
EA: Maybe it’s because your new fans are right – you do look like Shia!